Question: Can I Book Luxury Trains in Other Countries With Points?

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Question: Can I Book Luxury Trains in Other Countries With Points?

Question: Can I Book Luxury Trains in Other Countries With Points?

Our question this week asks whether you can book trains (specifically, luxury train rides) in other countries using points. We know it’s possible to book U.S. domestic train travel with Amtrak Guest Rewards. What about those luxury trains in other countries–can we use points to book those? The answer is a bit roundabout, so here we go.

The Question

Our question of the week comes from Mahesh in our Facebook group:

Is there any way to do The Ghan and The Venice Simplon Orient Express on points and miles?

For those not familiar with these trains, a quick bit of information:

  • The Ghan is train service through Australia’s interior, with the oldest (and most popular) routes running North-South through the middle of the country from one coast to the other. Packages can range from 2 days to 4 days, depending on excursions you add to your trip.
  • The Venice Simplon-Orient-Express has several options for routing between London and Venice, but the most popular goes through Paris and then Verona or Venice en route to Vienna. Belmond (the owner) says the “most popular route between London and Venice takes two days, with one night on board.”

Can I Book These Luxury Trains Using Points?

So, considering these and other foreign trains, can we book them with points? If so, how?

Can’t Use Transfer Partners

The bad news is that you can’t book foreign trans with points using transfer partners the way we are used to with airlines. You aren’t going to transfer your American Express Membership Rewards to a booking site or loyalty like we do with many hotel and airline programs. Thus, booking trains in other countries using points uses a little bit different method.

Minimal Bank Portal Options

There are several bank portals where you can book travel using your points. Here are some examples:

  • Amex Travel: book flights, hotels, cruises, and rental cars
  • Capital One Travel: book flights, hotels, and rental cars
  • Chase: book flights, hotels, rental cars, cruises, and activities

Notice that Amex Travel and Capital One Travel don’t offer anything for trains or activities. And while Chase does offer activities, that doesn’t include trains.

Screenshot of search results in Chase travel portal when trying to book trains using points
Chase search results don’t include what we want.

You can book safaris in Africa using the Chase travel portal, but you can’t book trains using points.

Buy First, Use Your Points to Cover the Purchase

If you want to use points to book trips on foreign trains, your best bet is buying the tickets with a card that will let you erase the purchase with your points. You’ll need to use the right card and purchase directly, because even sites like Expedia don’t offer these luxury train trips. Conversely, you could book with a travel agent, and this should still code as travel.

Cards to consider:

The first group works the same: earn 2 points per $1 spent, then use points at 1¢ each to erase travel expenses:

Other cards that would earn bonus points on travel (how many is in parentheses) and cash them out at 1¢ each for statement credit, or more with Pay Yourself Back for Chase cards:

Cards I don’t recommend:

  • Citi Custom Cash – earn 5X on travel, but only on the first $500 per month; these trains will cost much more than that.
  • American Express Gold Card – great for airfare or amextravel.com purchases, you would earn just 1X on these train tickets.
  • The Platinum Card from American Express – same issues as the Gold card above.

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If it were me:

I would use the Chase Sapphire Reserve. Here’s why: both this card and the U.S. Bank Altitude Reserve will earn 3X points in the purchase. While the Altitude Reserve has a $325 annual travel credit (compared to the Sapphire Reserve’s $300 credit), you’ll wind up with nearly the same credit. Given their superior flexibility, I would rather earn Chase Ultimate Rewards on this purchase.

Another contender is using the Bank of American Premium Rewards Elite Card (review here) if you are a Bank of America Preferred Rewards member, since you could earn up to 3.5X on a train ticket purchase. However, the redemption value will never pass 1.25¢ per point, which is achieved with airfare purchases through Bank of America’s travel portal.

Do the math on which card is going to earn you the most value when considering points earned times the value of those points.

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You could use your points to ride luxury trains like the Trans-Mongolian (dining card pictured here)
Mongolian dining car while the train was in Mongolia

Final Thoughts

I love train rides. While not as simple as using points to book hotels or flights, you can use points to pay for luxury trains or dream rides in other countries. You’ll need to do this by paying with the right card and then erasing the purchase after the fact.

If you’re interested in awesome train rides, see here: How To Book The Trans-Siberian / Trans-Mongolian Railroad.

Have a question? Ask in our Facebook group or email me at ryan[at]milestomemories.com

Ryan Smith
Travel hacker in 2-player mode, intent on visiting every country in the world, and can say "hello" or "how much does this cost?" in a bunch of different languages.

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  1. Does the Wells Fargo Propel count train tickets in the 3x travel category? I don’t think it has the erase feature that Cap One venture has but you can get statements credits at the same penny for point rate, right? And since the max you can ever get out of Propel is one cent, while other programs like CapOne can transfer for more value, seems like a better overall deal. Thoughts?

    • TimmyD – correct, the Propel card is 3X earning with 1¢ per point cash out rate. With Cap One, you could earn 2X but might redeem (with travel partners) for more than 3¢ from your 2 points–while you’ll get a maximum of 3¢ from your 3 points with Propel. However, redeeming with transfer partners wouldn’t necessarily help you ‘pay for the train tickets’ with the points. It depends on whether your goal is paying for train tickets with points or buying train tickets and then using the points for whatever is most valuable. That should help you decide on how to assess the best deal.

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